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WEYMAN Abner
Birth: 15 Jan 1738 London, England
Death: 26 Dec 1803 Manhattan, New York City , N.Y.
Burial: Methodist Cemetery, New York, N.Y.
Notes
emigrated to US in 1793
info from Betsy Woodard and Marian Henneman
marriage was his second; first wife died (children with first wife William and John)
portrait of him and his wife in an album owned by Betsy Woodard and Marian
Henneman
Thus, it must be this William who is named adminstrator when an Abner Weyman dies,
adm named Jan 16 1804 (per ancestry.com NYCounty letters of Adminstration Index)
Per ancestry.com, arrived in NY in 1797, per book by Kenneth Scott, Early New York
Naturalizations, .... Geneal Publ Co 1999, p 8 on revisit: no, it says "most are date
and place of naturalization"
naturalized 28 Jan 1797 (so arrived earlier?) in Common Pleas Court in NY County. He
was a clothier.. Witness is John Fisher, a grocer of NYC.
genealogybank: 28 Dec 1803 New-York Gazette "DIED on Monday last, Mr. Abner
Weyman, of this city, aged 59 years." So died on Dec 26. This means born 1743.
NYC Municipal Deaths on familysearch gives eventdate 27 Dec 1803, age 55, address
Bowery,
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Here is information I had from Marian Henneman, who was living at 330 W 56th St NY
10019:
After Edmund died, she [Martha Matilda Hartman] lived with her youngest daughter
(great grandmother of Betsy Woodard) in Charleston, SC, then "her latter days were
passed with her elder daughter Mrs. E. Randolph Maule (that's Caroline) at Stanwick,
Burlington Co. New Jersey. In her extreme old age she lost her sight."
Then they sent me more information:
Elizabeth Frances Weyman Valk's "Family Ancestral Album" has sections labeled
Weyman, Oley, Holcombe, Grimes, Busbee, Tanner, Lynn, Hartman, Lawrence,
Penfold, Leverich, Way and Woodhull. Some are detailed, some very brief, and Lynn
is blank. [But I never did get to see or get scans from this album, but they sent me this
summary]
To summarize the Weyman portion:
It leads off with Abner Weyman, born in England January 1738. He and his wife,
Susan Oley, emigrated to New York in 1793 with two sons, William and John (from
Abner's earlier marriage), a daughter and two sons by Susan Oley. Their daughter
Jane died in England before the family "came over." The album has reproductions of
portraits of Abner and Susan, painted in England.
This Abner's son, Abner Edmund Weman, dropped his middle name after his father's
death. He was born in England October 17, 1786 and became a US citizen in 1809.
He married Elizabeth Holcombe. Their son, Edmund Holcombe Weyman, was born in
Savannah in 1811. He married Martha Matilda Hartman in 1835, and they had five
children: Caroline, Edmund,
Robert, Cornelius and Elizabeth Frances. Our great-grandmother, Elizabeth Frances,
married Charles Valk in 1879. The album has photographs of Caroline and of her son,
Edmund Weyman Maule, daughters Caroline, Elizabeth Frances, Julianna, Carrie and
Randolph (together), and also of Edmund's sons Edmund and Harold (together).
Two pages toward the end of the album show the line of descent from Alfred the Great
(!) to Elizabeth Frances Weyman (implicitly Caroline, also) through her (and Caroline's)
mother, Martha Matilda Weyman, in 35 generations. I'd forgotten about that claim.
Cousin Georgiana Colgate is listed as "my father's niece." Could be the daughter of
Edmund Weyman's sister Isabella.
And here is an email I received from Marian Henneman back in 2002 or thereabouts:
Marian Henneman
330 W 56th Street
New York 10019
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Mr. Maule-
I have never done anything with genealogy, but in poking around on the Internet
yesterday I found your message about my ancestor Abner Weyman, whose portrait,
along with those of his wife and daughter Jane hang in my living room and hallway.
My sister and I are trying to find time to go through family records left by my late
mother (Elizabeth Holmes Henneman, daughter of Elizabeth Weyman Valk Holmes of
Charleston, SC) and I don't know at this point how much information we have about
Abner Weyman's ancestors, but we do
know something about the family line since he arrived in New York around 1800 (we
also have his immigration document), and I have some recollection that my
grandmother had very old records that I haven't yet come across (though I'm not sure
of which branch of her family). It will take us some time, but we will let you know what
we find if you are interested.
My understanding is that Abner and Elizabeth Weyman were born in England and
emigrated to America from London. Their daughter Jane died in England at age 14 or
so before they left. So I think your information about his place and date of birth may
be wrong.
Let me know what your interest is especially and we will see what we can find for you.
Again, this won't happen immediately as neither my sister nor I has much leisure at
the moment.
Cordially,
Elizabeth Woodard
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Parrott's Marriaage Index for England, 1780 - 1837 on ancestry.com:
handwritten: Wyman Abner (St. Botolph Aldgate) w = Jane Evans s "hic" 1781
....[cannot read] Shadwell
This would explain there being a dtr Jane. It explains an earlier marriage for him
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20 Sep 2009 email from Betsy Woodard:
Notes from the notebook of Edmund Weyman:
Abner Weyman, my grandfather, was born in England in the year 1738 and came from
London to New York in 1793, bringing with him his third wife, nee Susan Oley, and
five children, viz. William and John, sons of a former wife; and Susannah Caroline (or
Caroline as she was called), Abner, and Alfred Oley, the daughter and sons of the
third wife. Abner was my father - his name originally was Abner Edmund, but at my
birth he dropped the Edmund and was afterward known as Abner Weyman.
Abner (my grandfather) started a business in Maiden Lane in 1794 and continued in it
until his death in 1804 - he was buried in a burying ground on the east side of the city,
now called Forsyth [?] on Christie St. His wife Susan died in 1800 and was buried in a
grave underneath Christ Church in Ann Street NY. When this property was afterwards
sold in 1836, her remains were exhumed and re-interred in our family vault in Second
St., NY Marble Cemetery, vault No. 29.
The three family portraits in my possession - No. 1 - Abner, my grandfather - No. 2 -
Susan, his wife, with the child Susanna Caroline in her lap - No. 3 - Jane, another
child who died in England before the family came over - she holds a small black dog in
her arms - this dog was called Whimsey. These three portraits were painted in
London.
Susanna Caroline married a Mr. Buckle of Georgia - she had a daughter named
Caroline - Mrs, Buckle became a widow and afterward married Richard Henry Wilde of
Georgia - she died in 1827. The daughter Caroline married a Mr. Ringgold - by him
she had two children, Richard and Mary - Richard died in 1847 - Mary married Robert
H. Archer of Ellicotteville, Md.
Alfred Oley, my grandfather's youngest son, died in Spain in December 1819 - he led a
roving life, embarked on a privateer, the Constitution, at Baltimore, having enlisted
there. The vessel was wrecked near Cadiz, and he among the crew taken prisoner
was marched to Tarifa where he died in prison.
Abner, my father, was born in 1786 - he became a naturalized citizen of the United
States in 1809 - his certificate of naturalization was dated October 17, 1809 and
signed by John Sidell Clark - bearing the seal of "the Justices Court of the City and
County of N.Y." - he was known at this time as "Abner E. Weyman" - the court was
held at the City Hall - He died March 3, 1847 and was buried in the family vault N.Y.
Marble Cemetery.
Notes from the family album of Elizabeth Weyman Valk
Abner Weyman was born in England about the middle of January, 1738. He sailed
from London with his wife Susan Oley, reaching New York in the year 1793. His family
a tthat time consisted of 2 sons, William & John, by a former marriage, and a daughter
and two sons by his second wife. He brought with him the family portraits (still extant)
painted in England.
He purchased in New York a plot of ground with a house upon it, situated on the
westerly side of the Bowery, or "The Bowerie road" as it was then called, between
Prince & Houston Sts. This was the family residence & was considered in those days
a country seat. The family took up residence there Dec. 28, 1800.
Abner Edmund Weyman, son of the above, dropped his middle name after his father's
death. He was born in England Oct.17, 1786. He became a naturalized citizen of the
United States of America Oct. 17, 1809. He was but 18 yrs of age when his father
died and the responsibility of his training & education devolved on his elder step-
brother William, ample means having been left for this purpose. He was a very
successful & prosperous man, high-toned & just. He invested very largely in Real
Estate in New Yrok, and left at his death quite a fortune. He married Elizabeth
Holcombe, daughter of Henry Holcombe, D.D., L. Litt., a celebrated Baptist
clergyman.
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The following dates are noted in the album:
Abner Weyman, b. Jan. 15, 1738, London England, d. 1804 New York City
Children of Abner Weyman by 1st wife:
1. William - [no dates given]
2. John - "
Children by 2nd wife:
1. Susanna Caroline 1785-1827
2. Abner Edmund, b. April 12, 1786, d. Mar. 3, 1847
3. Alfred Oley, b. 1787, d. Oct. 1819
Susan Oley was born in London, England about 1740 and died Jan. 1801 New York
City
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From my 21 Sep 2009 email to Marian and Betsy
Hello Betsy and Marian,
This evening I did some more research into our Weyman ancestors and collateral
Weyman cousins.
1. In the 15 Feb 1819 City Gazette of Charleston, S.C., in an item "List of Letters
Remaining in the POST-OFFICE, Charleston, February 1st" appears the name
Weyman, Alfred O. We know why he didn't pick up that letter, but it does tell us that
at least one person thought that he could be reaced in Charleston. His name also
shows up in the 22 March 1819 edition of that paper.
2. From "Georgia Marriages to 1850" on ancestry.com: Caroline Jane Buckle married
James G. Ringgold on 29 May 1827 in Richmond Co., Ga. It's interesting to see that
Susannah Caroline Weyman named her daughter Caroline Jane (and not, for example,
Caroline Susan), making it even a bit more likely that the mother of Susannah Caroline
is Jane, not Susan.
3. I've not yet identified the first name of Mr. Buckle, the first husband of Susannah
Caroline Weyman.
4. From genealogybank.com: 3 Mar 1810 NY Columbian Caroline S. Buckle is listed
among those in "List of Letters Remaining in the Post-Office at New York City, 28th
February, 1810"
5. The second husband of Susannah Caroline Weyman, Richard Henry Wilde, is very
well known. See www.famousamericans.net/richardhenrywilde. He was born in Dublin
24 Sep 1789, died in New Orleans 10 Sep 1847, son of Richard Wilde, a merchant,
who came to the US in 1797, and who died in 1802. His widow and son, Richard
Henry Wilde, moved to Augusta, Georgia. He became a lawyer, was elected attorney-
general of Georgia, then served in Congress 1815-17, returned to law practice, went
back to Congress to fill a vacancy 7 Feb to 3 Mar 1825, was defeated in the next
election but served again from 1827 to 1835. He is known for his speeches, his
scholarly pursuits, disovered forgotten documents relevant to Dante and did other
things recounted in the web site. He retired from politics, moved to New Orleans in
1843 and became professor of constitutional law in the law department of the
University of Lousiana. He died of yellow fever.
6. The Finding Aid to the Richard Henry Wilde Papers in the Library of Congress notes
that he married Caroline Buckle in 1819. Another source,
www.wildesfamily.org/MYSTERIES/carolyn.html , in dealing with a mystery unrelated
to ours, notes that Richard Henry Wilde married C.J. Buckle on Feb 6, 1819 in
Richmond Co., Ga. Augusta is in Richmond Co., Ga. The author gives as a source
Richmond County Index - Marriage License 1785-1849 in the Georgia Archives.
7. According to www.bookrags.com/biography/richard-henry-wilde-dlb2/ (a long
biography), he married Caroline Buckle in 1819. "They had three sons, one of whom
died in infancy. Wilde's wife died in 1827, two years after he was reelected to the
House."
8. I searched for men surnamed Wilde who were born in Georgia during the 1820s. I
found two, living together in New Orleans in the 1850 census. This must be them,
considering Richard Henry Wilde was in New Orleans in the 1840s. The household
consists of William Wilde, 27, b Georgia, a clerk, John P. Wilde, 26, b Georgia, a
lawyer, another lawyer whose name appears to be Choide Choisimide [the index has
Chs De Choismid], a Catherine Wilde, age 60, b Georgia (my guess: Richard Henry
Wilde married after Susannah Caroline died), and a Jane Kirke, age 20, b Ireland (my
guess, a servant). On the 1860 census, I cannot find either John or William Wilde. In
the 1870 census, in New Orleans, I find W. C. Wilde, age 40, b Georgia, a
bookkeeper, V. W. Wilde, age 40, b Louisiana, R. H. Wilde, age 18, b. Louisiana,
cotton weigher, E Wilde, age 10, b Louisiana, V. W. Wilde, age 5, b Georgia, C.
Wilde, age 3 mos, b Louisiana. Then in 1880 I cannot find any of them.
9. Apparently the C. Weyman in the 1870 census, age 3 mos is Caroline Weyman
Wilde. Here's why I so think: From the 15 Oct 1893 New Orleans Times Picayune: in a
column headed "Society" is this item: "The church of the Immaculate Conception was
the scene of a very pretty wedding on Wednesday afternoon, Oct. 11, when the
marriage of Miss Caroline Weyman Wilde, daughter of the late Prof. Wilde, to Mr.
Eugene Augustine Giraud, of San Antonio, Tex., was celebrated by Rev. Father
Gaffney, assisted by Father Garbely, in the presence of a number of relatives and
friends. At 5 o'clock the wedding march from "Lohengrin" announce the approach of
the bridal party. The ushers, Messrs. Sydney Prague, Robert Ellis, John T. Whitaker
and Alex Drysdale, preceded the bride, who was accompanied to the altar by her
cousin, Hon. Theo. S. Wilkinson, where she was met by the groom. The bride was
handsomely gowned in a traveling suit of gray, trimmed with silver, with hat and gloves
to match. An artistic cluster of Duchesse roses, tied with pink ribbons, was carried
and completed the chaste and elegant toilette. The exquistely pure beauty and
flower-like appearance of the bride was commented upon by friends and strangers
alike. Immediately after the ceremony Mr. and Mrs. Giraud left for the north, and a visit
to the world's fair. On their return they will make their home in Texas. Miss Wilde is the
sister of the prominent young artist, Miss Jennie Wilde, and has a large circle of
friends in New Orleans, whose love and good wishes follow her to her new home."
10. And Jennie Wilde, the artist? She shows up in the Artists' Bluebook as Jennie
(Virginia Wilkinson) Wilde (1865 - 1913). That's her. She was known for working with
Charlotte Payne Polk, who died in 1963; together they did large-scale maps of New
Orleans and the Mississippi River.
11. There is a Whitford Family Tree on ancestry.com that claims Eugene A. Giraud
married 11 Oct 1893 Caroline Wilkinson Wilde, and had a child Virginia. My guess is
that someone decided the W. was for Wilkinson because I think that her mother is a
Wilkinson. Aha, yes, good guess. The same tree tells me that her father is William
Cummin Wilde and her mother Virginia Wilkinson (1827 - 1888), daugher of Joseph
Biddle Wilkinson and Catherine Andrews. William Cummin Wilde's father is listed as
Richard Herr [though it shows as Henry in other places on the web page] Wilde and
has pictures of William Henry Wilde
12. In the 1910 census, in Austin, Tex., there is a Eugene Giraud, a widower, living in
a boarding house with his daughters Frances, age 15, and Virginia, age 12, both born
in Texas, as was he. Their mother was born in Lousiana. So apparently Caroline
Weyman Wilde Giraud died relatively young. I cannot find the family in the 1900
census. In 1920, Eugene A. Giraud is in Austin, a widower, alone, a civil engineer
working for a land dealer.
13. The marriage of Caroline W. Wilde and Eugene A. Giraud is also recorded in the
New Orleans Marriage Records Index on ancestry.com, 11 Oct 1893, she age 22
(which matches the census entry), he age 34 (which matches the 1910, 1920 census
entries). There are other Wilde marriages in that index, some surely other children of
William Cummin Wilde, but for the moment I can't do much with them because I don't
know the full names of those children.
14. Returning now to Susannah Caroline Weyman's daughter Caroline by her husband
Mr. Buckle. I cannot find James or Caroline Ringgold in the 1850 or 1860 census.
The census records before 1850 don't tell us very much. The 1830 census has an
entry for a James D Ringgold, in Tallahassee, Fla., but the middle initial appears to be
a G. The 1840 census has a James B. Ringgold in Queen Anne's County, Maryland. It
definitely is a "B". (and, as we'll see in 6, below, it's a different person).
15. There is no Richard Ringgold in the 1840 census. There is a Richard Ringold in
Butler Co., Ala., but there's no way of knowing if it is him. But (see 16 below) it may be
him.
16. From "My Fafamily" on rootsweb.ancestry.com by John R. Boots: He writes of
George Greene Mathews, born in Georgia, probably Green County. He states that
George married first Cassandra Wells, by whom he had 13 children. then he states:
"George G. Mathews married 2nd, Caroline Jane BUCKLE, who had previously married
29 May 1827, in Richmond County, Georgia, James G. Ringgold, by whom he had two
children. He resided near Greensboro, in Greene County, Georgia from at least 1820
until sometime after the year 1840. There is no Will on record in that County, and it is
entirely possible that he may have moved to Alabama as did so many of the
grandchildren of Gen. George Mathews." This explains why I cannot find Caroline
Ringgold … she became Caroline Mathews.
17. Apparently James G. Ringgold died c 1830/1832, because in the Maryland State
Archives Guide to Government Records there is an index entry as follows: C29501346,
Series Information, Baltimore County Court (Chancery Papers), 03/01/1833 C295
Description: C416 Samuel Hale and Elizabeth A. Ringgold vs. Caroline J. Ringgold,
Richard H. W. Ringgold, Mary Frances Ringgold, Mary Ringgold, and David Hoffman.
Estate of James G. Ringgold - lots on Market, Thames, and Pratt Sts. Location:
02/15/12/038, MdHR Number: 40,200-1336-1/3. MSA Citation: MSA C295-1346. I
don't think the actual court papers are online but I'm going to dig into that.
18. It appears from The Political Graveyard
(http://politicalgraveyard.com/geo/FL/ofc/usatty.html) that James G Ringgold was US
above) does indeed refer to him. The book Key West: The Old and the New, by
Jefferson Beale Browne, lists James G. Ringgold in an appendix, and describes him as
"of Georgia."
19. The land records of Liberty County in Florida list Land Patents, and among them is
a patent dated 21 Nov 1833 for land in Liberty County issued to Caroline J. Ringgold,
James G Ringgold, Mary Ringgold, and Richard Ringgold.
20. From genealogybank.com: 13 Oct 1831 Baltimore Patriot, an obit from Tallahassee
reporting the death of James G. Ringgold, US Attorney for the Middle District of
Florida., Died on 21 inst. [21 Sep 1831]. There follows a resolution by the equivalent
of the Tallahassee Bar Association that they wear black crepe on their left arm for 30
days and attend the funeral. This tells us that the children Richard Ringgold and Mary
Ringgold were born between 1827 (when James G Ringgold married Caroline Jane
Buckle) and 1831 (when he died).
21. From genealogybank.com: 15 June 1847 Baltimore Sun, an obit "At New Orleans,
on the 25th May last, on his return from Mexico, Richard W. Ringgold, only son of the
late Maj. James G. Ringgold."
22. As for Mary Ringgold who married Robert H Archer, I find a Mary F Ringgold in the
1850 census, living in Marietta, Ga., age 20 (so b 1829/30), born in Florida, living in
the household of … here we are … Caroline Mathews, age 45. This gives us Caroline
Buckle's birthyear (1804/05), birthplace (New York). With them are Isabella Mathews
age 7 (b 1842/3) b Georgia, and Caroline Matthews age 5 (b 1844/45), b Georgia. I'm
going to go out on a limb here and wonder if this Isabella ends up marrying a
Schlesinger and thus is the Isabella Schlesinger buried in vault 29 at the Marble
Cemetery. The 1860 census does not turn up a Mary Ringgold or a Mary Archer that
fits the parameters. Nor does the 1870 census. Surprisingly, neither does the 1880
census, which also permits a search for a person with the spouse's name as a
parameter. And the 1900 census also turns up nothing that matches. I will need to
look into this more.
23. Finally for this evening, something I found several hours ago. From ancestry.com's
NY Death Newspaper Extracts, 1801-1890 (Barber Collection), 31 Aug 1858 NY
Evening Post: "Mon Aug 30 [1858] Caroline Buckle w Henry W T Mall and dau of late
William Weyman of City 45y." This is VERY confusing, isn't it? This is someone named
Caroline Buckle born c 1812/1813 (so it can't be the Caroline Buckle who married
James G Ringgold in 1819 and who, from the 1850 census was born c 1804/5), but
she is described as the daughter of William Weyman (probably the half-brother of
Abner Jr.). That would make her a niece of Susannah Caroline Weyman who married a
Mr. Buckle. It can't be that the Caroline who died in 1858 was given the name Buckle
on account of her aunt, because her aunt doesn't marry Mr. Buckle until 1819. Was
there ANOTHER Mr. Buckle who married the niece? And then, of course, she marries
someone named Mall but I'm not going to dig into that quite yet!
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Here is someone who must somehow be related?
1850 NY census, Ward 15 easternhalf
David Weyman 37 Tailor b Ga
Matilda 32 b NY
Caroline 12
Edmond 9
Robert 8
Cornelius 6
Elizabeth 4
and three servants
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passport application of Henry T. Mali (2 Oct 1851) refers to mother in law Mrs Isabella
Weyman, age 57, wife Caroline, age 36, 3 children. They are also on a census
record. Is Caroline a dtr of John or William?
Another application, 12 Jun 1867, is by John Weyman, wintess Weyman Mali. John
Weyman is 58 yrs old. Son of John or William? John will be accompanied by wife
Hanitha??? and dtr Mary age 13.
On ancestry there is a database of taxes paid with respect to apprenticeships. Abner
had three apprentices, three different years, while in Cambridge.
Another database, London Land Tax Records has Abner Wyman in London in 1779
(Tower), 1780 (Tower), 1781 (Tower), 1785 (Tower Hamlets, St George in the East),
and 1786 (St George, Middlesex).
Database of London Marriages and Banns, says Abner Wyman of St Botolph Aldgate a
widower and Jane Evans of this parish, spinster, married in this church by licenses,
4th day Nov 1781, by _er: Griffith Curate, in the presence of Edward Evans and Mary
Hopack [not clear]
Marriage To OLEY Susan (1740 - )
m.
Notes
Children by OLEY Susan 1740 -
WEYMAN Abner Edmund (17 Oct 1786 - 2 Mar 1847)
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