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FITZ WARIN Eva
Birth: ABT 1179 Whittington, Oswestry, Shropshire, England
Notes
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I05031
NOTE: Many genealogists thought that Eva/Eve was a daughter of Matthew de
Torrington, as exemplified by the post to SGM below:
Thomas de Tracy's father can be readily identified as being Henry de Tracy (died
1274), Baron of Barnstaple, Devon, which Henry was the son and heir of Oliver de
Tracy (died 1210), of Barnstaple, Devon, by Eve, probable daughter and co-heiress of
Matthew de Torrington. [Douglas Richardson, soc.genealogy.medieval, 1 Dec 2004]
HOWEVER further research by Douglas Richardson indicates that Eva/Eve was a
daughter of Fulk FitzWarin, as given below:
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
From: "Douglas Richardson royalances... AT msn.com"
Date: 27 Jan 2005 23:25:36 -0800
Local: Fri,Jan 28 2005 2:25 am
Subject: Re: Ancestry of Thomas de London, lord of Kidwelly?
Dear Carolyn
Thank you for your good post.
In answer to your question, when I mentioned the evidence in the Curia Regis Rolls
which proved Eve's identity and parentage, I was speaking of Eve, daughter of Oliver
de Tracy, NOT his wife, Eve. As I stated in my original post, Eve de Tracy the
daughter married Warin de Bassingbourne. The evidence to prove this marriage is
found in Curia Regis Rolls. So, no I haven't changed my position on this marriage.
Regarding the senior Eve, wife of Oliver de Tracy and Thomas de London, it has
commonly been thought that she was daughter and co-heiress of Matthew de
Torrington. This was thought probable, as Eve's son, Henry de Tracy, is known to
have had a one-fifth interest in the Torrington family estates. However, in recent time,
I've determined that Henry de Tracy bought his share of the Torrington estates from
one of the Torrington heirs. This would necessarily exclude Henry's mother Eve from
being one of the Torrington heiresses.
My research indicates that Eve, widow of Oliver de Tracy and Thomas de London,
was instead a probable daughter of Fulk Fitz Warin, of Whittington, Shropshire, by his
wife, Hawise de Dinan. Eve's maritagium appears to have consisted of land in
Westbury, Wiltshire, which property she held under the Fitz Warin family. The name
Eve runs in the Fitz Warin family. Also, we know that Eve de Tracy had a daughter
Hawise de London, presumably named in honor of her mother, Hawise de Dinan.
Chronology, naming patterns, and land ownership are all agreeable.
If anyone has particulars which would shed further light on the Fitz Warin-Tracy-
London connection, I'd appreciate hearing from them here on the newsgroup.
Needless to say, this is a most interesting group of families. I imagine most posters
here on the newsgroup descend from these people.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Parents
FITZ WARIN Fulk II (ABT 1143 - 1198)
DE DINAN Hawise (ABT 1143 - )
Siblings
FITZ WARIN Fulk III (ABT 1160 - 1258)
FITZ WARIN Eva (ABT 1179 - )
Marriage To DE TRACY Oliver (ABT 1165 - 1210)
m. 1196 Bovey, Devonshire, England
Notes
Parents
DE TRACY Oliver (ABT 1135 - 1184)
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Children by DE TRACY Oliver ABT 1165 - 1210
DE TRACY Henry (ABT 1200 - 1274)
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