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Birth:           804 Maine, France
Death:           858 

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http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I00974
Note: Laurent Ohier has Roricon I & II as one person, d. 841, who married both 
Rotrude & Blichilde. I have him as two different persons. AR, I think would agree with 
me, in that Laurent has the daughter (I name her Blichilde) who married the count of 
Poitou as a daughter of Gauzlin (Gozlin), while AR has her as daughter of 
Roricon/Rorick.

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The following was given in two post-ems by Curt Hofemann, curt_hofemann AT 
yahoo.com (Curt finally more or less agrees with me):


ID: I00974 Roricon II (Rorick) Comte du Maine

Note: Laurent Ohier has Roricon I & II as one person, d. 841, who married both 
Rotrude & Blichilde. I have him as two different persons. AR, I think would agree with 
me, in that Laurent has the daughter (I name her Blichilde) who married the count of 
Poitou as a daughter of Gauzlin (Gozlin), while AR has her as daughter of 
Roricon/Rorick.

Jim, you must have misread the chart. Laurent Ohier 4 Jul 1999 msg to SGM did not 
make Blichild dau of Gozlin. His chart does show her as the dau of Roric I & Blichilde.

show your Roricon I & II are the same person & the descent agrees with Laurent 
Ohier’s chart as flws:
1 Gauzelin/Gonzelin, a noble of Neustria (Count of Maine?), (?-aft 800) m. Adelaide 
NN (?-?)
1.1 Roric, Count of Maine, (?-840)
m1* Hrotrud/Rotrude (775-8 Jun 810**) dau of Chalemagne & Hildegard of Swabia.
1.1.1a Louis, Abbot of St. Denis (?-867)
m2 Bilihild/Bichilda NN (?-?) 
1.1.1b Bichilda of Maine (?-?) m1 Bernard, Count of Poitou (?-844) & m2 845 Ranulf, 
Count of Poitou (& Auverge?), Duke of Aquitaine (ca 820-Oct 866)
1.1.2b Gordin/Gauzlin Bishop of Paris.

Laurent Ohier gave 4 more issue of Roric & Bichilde (including Rorico II=your Roricon 
III/Gozfrid) which I cannot confirm having not accessed the source he listed.

*Note: 1st marriage of Roric per Moriarty p27, but John Comi Parsons in a 27 Jan 1999 
msg to SGM indicated that Rotrude was: "betrothed to Emperor Constantine VI from 
781 to 787; from ca 800 the mistress of Count Roric".
**Note: d. 810 per ES I:2 but was "living 837" per John Comi Parsons 27 Jan 1999.
For * & ** JCP cited: Janet Nelson, "Women at the Court of Charlemagne: A Case of 
Monstrous Regiment?" in *Medieval Queenship*, ed. J.C. Parsons (New York: St 
Martins, 1993), pp. 43-62, esp. 51. (from Werner's "Die Nachkommen Karls des 
Grossen" in Braunfels, ed., *Karl der Grosse: Lebenswerk und Nachleben*, vol. 4, pp. 
403-83)
Regards,
Curt


ID: I00974 Roricon II (Rorick) Comte du Maine 

You said "...Laurent has the daughter (I name her Blichilde) who married the count of 
Poitou as a daughter of Gauzlin (Gozlin), while AR has her as daughter of 
Roricon/Rorick". 

I said in my first post-em: "Jim, you must have misread the chart". 

Oops, my bad!!! I was the one who misread the chart, not you. After re-reading the 
chart I see that you were referring to the dau of Gauzelin & Adeltrude: "N X. Rannoux 
I Ct de Poitou", & in the next generation there is a dau of Rorico I & Bichilde named 
"Bichilde X, Bernard Ct of Poitiers". 

Moriarty p26-7 gives Bichilde dau of Roric & Bichilde marrying as her 1st husband 
Bernard Count of Poitou (Laurent Ohier making his toponym Poitiers is problematic) & 
m2 Ranulf Count of Poitou. The confusion comes from Weis AR7144a saying "Ranulf I 
& dau of Rorick" = her name is unknown. It gets even more confusing because ES 
II:76 says "Ranulk & N v Maine T v Gf Rorico II u Bilihildis" (meaning Ranulf & (?) of 
Maine, dau of Count Rorico II & Bichilde). Weis leaves it ambiguous & ES seems to 
bring a new wrinkle into play by calling her father Rorico II (although my notes show 
nothing about ES saying who Rorico I was). On the surface, my notes from ES seem to 
contradict Moriarty & Weis & confirm your 3 Roric/Rorick/Rorico/Roricon theory. I 
need to go back to ES & see if there's more detail. Unfortunately I'm not scheduled to 
go back to the library that has it until Jan. Also, I just remembered that there was 
something in Turton about this line too (worth a look-see eve!
n though unreliable). Ideally finding Laurent Ohier's source would be great, but I have 
my doubts that any of the libraries in my area have it. We'll see. In the meantime, I'll 
scout the net to see if there is anything that pertains to this problem.

Regards,
Curt

Parents
____ Roricon (Rorick) I (ABT  770 - 1 Mar  838)
____ Rotrude (ABT  775 - 6 Jun  810)

Siblings
____ Roricon (Rorick) II ( 804 -  858)

Marriage To ____ Blichilde (Bilihildis) ( 808 - )
    m. ABT  824 

Notes


Children by ____ Blichilde (Bilihildis)  808 - 
OF MAINE Blichild (ABT  827 - )
DU MAINE Roricon III (Gozfrid) ( 833 -  865)

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