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D'ENGAINE Viel (Vitalis)
Birth: ABT 1098 Abington, Northamptonshire, England
Death: AFT 1130 Pytchley, Northamptonshire, England
Notes
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The following is excerpted from a post to SGM, 8 Dec 2002, by Roger:
From: Roger (rtansey959 AT aol.com)
Subject: Keats-Rohan's Engaine Pedigree
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2002-12-08 02:09:07 PST
Dear Group:
Perhaps it's the lateness of the hour, but I'm having a terrible time "translating" the
Engaine pedigree as corrected by Keats-Rohan in Domesday People, p. 366. Can
anyone help?
. . . . .
Since Vitalis Engaine, son of the Richard Engaine of 1086, accounted for part of the
lands of William de Lisores in 1130 it is most probable that Vitalis was father of Fulk
de Lisores by a daughter of William de Lisores. This Vitalis son of Richard was the
same Vitalis who controlled the Pytchley fee of his uncle William Ingaine, as indicted
by his account in 1129/30 to 'rehave' his land of Laxton (PR 31 Henry I 82). By a
second marriage, to the daughter of Fulk the sheriff, Vitalis was father of Richard II
Engaine of Pytchley. Thenceforth, the Abington fee descended with Fulk de Lisores
and the Pytchley fee with Richard II Engaine.
This simple solution was, in fact provided long ago by Hugh Candidus, p. 61
(Stapleton, 170 note), who wrote: Vitalis fuit pater Fulconis de Lisures, et Ricardi
Engayne, qui genuit secundum Ricardum. The occurrence of both a Richard and
Vitalis Engaine in the Northants Survey has confused the issue, since much of that
document is anachronistic to its central date of c.1127 in referring back to Domesday
Book or forward to a point in the 1170s.
Thanks much,
Roger
Note: Apparently the Fulk de Lisores mentioned above is NOT the same as the Fulk de
Lisoures, Domesday tenant of Sprotbrough, who is already in my ancestry.
Parents
D'ENGAINE Richard (ABT 1075 - ABT 1110)
----- ----- ()
Siblings
D'ENGAINE Viel (Vitalis) (ABT 1098 - AFT 1130)
Marriage To ----- ----- (dtr of Fulk the Sheriff) (ABT 1103 - BEF 1127)
m.
Notes
Children by ----- ----- (dtr of Fulk the Sheriff) ABT 1103 - BEF 1127
D'ENGAINE Richard (ABT 1121 - ABT 1177)
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