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DE LEYBOURNE Margaret (Margery)
Birth: ABT 1220 Great Berwick, Shropshire, England
Death: AFT 1303
Notes
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NOTE: I no longer believe that Margery is a Hereward, even though the post by Paul
Reed below indicates it. Margery's daughter Margery Clifford had a daughter also
named Margery Criol who m. Robert Hereward. If Margery's grandson-in-law, Robert
Hereward, was closely related to the supposed father of Margery, the latter marriage
would not have been allowed. In addition I think that the later marriage of Margery
Criol & Robert Hereward (a marriage in which they had a daughter named Margery)
may have confused some of the early followers of the family into thinking that this
Margery was a dau. of Robert Hereward, when it was actually her great grandaughter
Margery who was a dau. of Robert Hereward (perhaps some source document of the
relationship had no date). I am following the suggestion (not proven, but supported by
Leybourne arms in Margery Clifford's will) of Douglas Richardson that Margery, mother
of Margery Clifford, was a Leybourne. A portion of Douglas's post is shown after the
post by Paul Reed. Much of the rest of that particular post I do not agree with.
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The following is part of a post to SGM, 10 Oct 1998, by Paul Reed, which states that
she was a Hereward:
Finally [yes, I know], I'll comment on the CLIFFORD connection. Sir RIchard de Grey
of Codnor (b. 1281/2, d. 1335) married Joan Fitz Payne, daughter of Sir Robert, Lord
Fitz Payne (d. 1315), by his wife Isabel de Clifford, apparently daughter and eventually
coheir of Sir John de Clifford of Frampton-on-Severn, co. Gloucs. "Villa de Frampton et
sunt domini ejusdem ville Isabella, que fuit uxor Roberti filii Pagani, et Willelmus de
Bolesdon" (1316) [Feudal Aids 2:266]. So Isabel held Frampton in 1316. Hugh
Clifford's _The House of Clifford from before the Conquest_ states that Sir John de
Clifford (d. 1292) married Margaret Hereward and had three children, (1) Richard de
Clifford, living 1314 (who had three children, Richard, and two daughters, all of whom
entered religious orders), (2) Isabella, living 1303, who married Robert Fitz Pain, and
(3) Margery, living 1314, who married Nicholas de Carroll.
The Victoria County History of Gloucester 10:143-4 [interspersing Hugh Clifford's
work], traces the descent of Frampton from Drew itz Pons (1086), to his brother
Richard, to his son Walter de Clifford, who was father of Richard de Clifford (d. 1213).
He was succeeded by his son and heir Richard, who was succeeded by Sir Hugh de
Clifford (d. 1254) [Clifford, supra, make this Sir Hugh the last Richard's brother,
instead of his son], whose son Sir John de Clifford is the man I mentioned above.
After Frampton-on-Severn, co. Gloucester passed to Robert FitzPain [1st Lord] and
Isabel his wife, the manor continued, after Robert's death in 1315 (Isabel held the
manor in 1316 and 1320), to his son Robert [2nd Lord FitzPayn] (held Frampton in
1327). He settled it on his daughter [and eventual heir] Isabel FitzPayn and her
husband John Chideock. The manor continued descending through their heirs.
Much of the above was written late at night, so I welcome any any comments, analysis
or corrections.
pcr
NOTE: Apparently "Nicholas de Carroll" above was Nicholas de Criol.
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The following is part of a post to SGM, 28 Jan 2009, by Douglas Richardson:
I believe Margery de Criol of the 1319 will was the second surviving wife of Nicholas
de Criol who died in 1273. I believe she was a Clifford, as stated in the Visitation of
Huntingdon.
And, if she was a Clifford and if she was the aunt of Joan de Creye's son, Sir Gilbert
Pecche, then presumably Margery de Criol and Joan de Creye were half-sisters, they
being the daughters of the earlier Margery de Clifford, who was living in 1254, but by
different husbands. The 1254 Margery de Clifford was possibly a member of the
Leyborne family. If so, then as Margery de Leyborne, she presumably married (1st)
_____ de Clifford, and (2nd) Simon de Creye (or Craye). This is all guesswork at this
point, but it would explain how Margery de Criol of the 1319 will was aunt to Sir Gilbert
Pecche. It would also explain the occurence of the Leyborne arms in Margery de
Criol's will. We already know that Joan de Creye's father, Simon de Creye, was familiar
with the Leyborne family.
NOTE: I would think the marriages would be in reverse order (1) Simon Creye (2) John
de Clifford.
Parents
DE LEYBOURNE Roger (BEF 1193 - ABT 1251)
DE TURNHAM Eleanor (ABT 1193 - BEF 1220)
Siblings
DE LEYBOURNE Roger II (ABT 1218 - AFT 15 Oct 1271)
DE LEYBOURNE Margaret (Margery) (ABT 1220 - AFT 1303)
Marriage To DE CLIFFORD John (ABT 1220 - 1292)
m.
Notes
Parents
DE CLIFFORD Hugh (ABT 1195 - 1254)
____ Margery (AFT 1195 - )
Children by DE CLIFFORD John ABT 1220 - 1292
DE CLIFFORD Isabella (ABT 1254 - AFT 1319)
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