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Birth:          ABT  972 Macon, Bourgogne
Death:          AFT 1035 

Notes
heriess of Bar-sur-Seine
widow of Milo, Count of Tonnerre
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I01016
Note: AR has Herbert III de Vermandois as her 2nd husband, but the noted French 
genealogist Settipani has Herbert as her 1st husband and Milo IV as her 2nd. The 
sourced dates seem to work better following AR (which is why I am leaving them 
alone); however, if Settipani is correct (and he is an expert), then Herbert III would 
have died before 992 (Settipani has Ermengarde's son by Milo, Renaud b. abt 993), 
and Herbert & Ermengarde's son Otto would have been born before 992/3 instead of 
about 1000.

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This is an excerpt from a post to SGM (full post is in notes under Ermengarde de 
Tonnerre), 5 Dec 1998, by Settipani, the noted French genealogist:

The Ascendancy of Ermengarde of Tonnerre : Part II

The family of Ermengardis (no 5), widow of Herbert, not the reverse, is not « Bar-sur-
Seine » (one misunderstanding hypothesis of E. Petit: such a dynasty does not exist at 
this time). She was, I think, the daughter of Alberic II of Macon and his second wife.

Parents
____ Alberic (Aubri) II (ABT  930 - ABT  982)
DE ROUCY Ermentrude ( 958 - 5 May 1005)

Siblings
DE MACON Ermengarde (ABT  972 - AFT 1035)
OF MACON OF BURGUNDY Beatrice (ABT  978 - )

Marriage To ____ Milo IV (ABT  960 - BEF 1002)
    m.  

Notes

Parents
____ Milo III (ABT  937 -  987)
OF BRIENNE Engeltrude (ABT  942 - ABT  980)

Children by ____ Milo IV ABT  960 - BEF 1002
____ Renaud (ABT  993 - 16 Jul 1039)

Marriage To ____ Herbert III (ABT  955 - ABT 1005)
    m.  

Notes
his 2d

Parents
____ Adalbert (Albert) I "the Pious" (ABT  917 - 8 Sep  987)
OF HAINAULT AND LORRAINE Gerberge (EST  933 -  978)

Children by ____ Herbert III ABT  955 - ABT 1005
____ Otho (Otto) (Eudes) (ABT 1000 - 25 May 1045)

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