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DE MONTGOMERY Roger (or Hugh)
Birth: ABT 1000 The Hiesmois, Normandy
Death: AFT 1040 Paris, France
Notes
Advocate of Traorn Abbey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_de_Montgomery,_seigneur_of_Montgomery
Roger de Montgomery (fl. 1027), seigneur of Montgomery and vicomte of the Hiémois.
Life[edit]
No near-contemporary source gives Roger's parentage. The younger Roger de
Montgomery, actually son of this Roger, was instead said by chronicler Robert of
Torigni to have been born to a Hugh de Montgomery by Josseline, niece of Gunnora,
Duchess of Normandy. One possible interpretation of this clear misstatement is that a
generation has been dropped, and that it was the elder Roger who was son of Hugh
and Josseline, though others conclude that Josseline's husband was the elder Roger,
the assignment of the name Hugh to her husband being the error. Though Robert de
Torigni calls Josceline daughter of Wevia, sister of Gunnora, a letter from the reign of
Henry I states she was daughter of another sister, Senfria.[1][2]
Roger held the lands of Saint-Germain-de-Montgommery and Sainte-Foy-de-
Montgommery, both of which show traces of early castles.[3] He acquired the office of
vicomte of the Hiémois probably about the time Robert I became Duke in 1027.[a][4]
In c.?1031–1032 he witnessed a charter to the abbey of St. Wandrille by Robert I,
Duke of Normandy as vicomte.[5] Like Duke Robert, Roger began acquiring church
properties, among these, c.?1025–27, half the town of Bernay.[6] He took over a wood
at 'Crispus Fagidus' which belonged to Jumièges Abbey in the 1030s.[6] He
suppressed a market held by the same abbey and transferred it into his own domain.[7]
He later returned the market to the abbey and paid restitution for their losses.[7]
In 1035 at Robert I's death, his great uncle, Robert Archbishop of Rouen ruled
Normandy as regent.[8] Roger seems to have lost favor with the young duke as well
as his vicomte office as he signed an early charter of Duke William simply as Roger of
Montgomery.[9] At the archbishop’s death in 1037, anarchy broke out in Normandy
and among the rebels was Roger de Montgomery, formerly one of Duke Robert's
closest companions, who, after being defeated in his own territory, fled to the court of
Henry I of France.[10] Roger had been forced into exile by Osbern the Steward who
was afterwards killed by William de Montgomery, Roger's son.[11] Roger died on
February 7, 1055 in exile in Paris.[citation needed] In 1068 his wife was still holding
lands at Bures and Saint-Pair.[citation needed]
Family[edit]
Interpolating William of Jumièges provides the names of their five sons:[12]
Hugh de Montgomery[12]
Robert de Montgomery[12]
Roger II de Montgomery, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury[12]
William de Montgomery[12] killed during the minority of duke William[12]
Gilbert de Montgomery[12] who in 1063 was claimed by Orderic to have been poisoned
by Mabel de Bellême[12]
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I01280
Roger de Montgomery was vicomte of Exmes or the Hiesmois. [The Origins of Some
Anglo-Saxon Families, Lewis C Loyd, 1951]
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ROGER I DE MONTGOMERY, seigneur of Montgomery and vicomte of the Hiesmois,
witnessed in 1031 or 1032 a charter of Robert I, Duke of Normandy, for the abbey of
St. Wandrille. Between 1028 and 1035 he restored to the abbey of Jumièges a market
at Vimoutiers, near Montgomery, of which he had deprived the monks. During the
troubles of Duke William's minority he was exiled and went to Paris on account of the
murder of Osbern, son of Herfast, the steward, by his son William de Montgomery. At
some date unknown he founded a collegiate church for twelve secular canons at
Troarn. He married Josceline, a niece of the duchess Gunnor (c). The date of his
death is uncertain. [Complete Peerage XI:682-3, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]
(c) Robert de Torigny in his continuation of William de Jumieges (bk. viii, chapter 35
--ed. Marx, p. 321) makes the mother of Roger II de Montgomery to be Josceline,
daughter of Wevie, a sister of Gunnor; in chapter 37 he states Wevie's husband Hugh
de Montgomery, but the father of Roger II was undoubtedly named Roger. The mistake
in these genealogical chapters, 35-37, as to which see G. H. White's article on "The
Sisters and Nieces of Gunnor, Duchess of Normandy" in 'Genealogist', N.S., vol.
xxxvii, pp. 57-65, 128-132, are too numerous to make it possible to trust them in
default of corroboration, but the statement as to Josceline is in part corroborated by
Ives, bishop of Chartres. In a letter of the year 1114 to Henry I ('Rec. des Hist. de
France', vol. xv, p. 167) he points out that a projected marriage between a natural
daughter of the King and Hugh, son of Gervase de Chateauneuf, would be invalid on
the ground of consanguinity. He traces Hugh's pedigree as follows: Senfrie, sister of
Gunnor, had a daughter, Josceline, the mother of Roger de Montgomery, who had a
daughter Mabel married to Gervase de Chateauneuf, by whom the daughter of Senfrie
or Sainfrie, who according to Robert de Torigny (loc. cit.) was Gunnor's sister; the
name of Josceline's husband is not given. The bishop seems to be writing with due
sense of responsibility, for the letter contains this remarkable passage: " Quod enim
dicimus, non ex conjecturis facimus, quia prae manibus habemus scriptam
genealogiam, quam scribi fecerunt nobiles viri de eadem tribu progeniti, et parati sunt
ante judices ecclesiasticos eandem genealogiam in tuto loco computare et secundum
legum instituta probare." Moreover the protest was successful, since Hugh did not
marry the King's daughter but a daughter of Waleran, Count of Meulan. If however
another of these genealogies of Robert de Torigny be accepted, Hugh nevertheless
married within the prohibited degrees, since his bride descended from another of
Gunnor's sisters (see 'ante', vol. vii, p. 521, note "c"). Taken as a whole the evidence
seems to show that Rober I's wife was Josceline, a niece of Gunnor.
NOTE: Turton has Roger as son of Hugh & Josceline, rather than Roger being married
to Josceline. After reading the evidence for CP's ancestry in note (c) below, I can see
Turton's point. It seems that Turton's interpretation is just as valid as CP's. Turton
goes by the "fact" that Josceline married a Hugh de Montgomery and had a son
Roger, while CP goes by the "fact" that Josecline was mother of Roger II. One of the
"fact"s is wrong. But I think the dates favor Josceline being a grandmother of Roger
II, rather than a mother; so I am going with Turton.
NOTE: Wikipedia agrees with the above, making the elder Roger a probable grand
nephew of Duchess Gunnor, which would be the case if his father Hugh had m.
Josceline as the text below indicates:
Roger de Montgomerie (died 1094), also known as Roger the Great de Montgomery,
was the first Earl of Shrewsbury. His father was also Roger de Montgomerie, and was
a relative, probably a grandnephew, of the Duchess Gunnor, wife of Duke Richard I of
Normandy. The elder Roger had large holdings in central Normandy, chiefly in the
valley of the Dives, which the younger Roger inherited. [wikipedia article on Roger de
Montgomerie, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury.]
Parents
DE MONTGOMERY Hugues (ABT 975 - BEF 7 Feb 1050)
DE ST. VAAST D'EQUIQUEVILLE Joscelina (ABT 978 - )
Siblings
DE MONTGOMERY Roger (or Hugh) (ABT 1000 - AFT 1040)
Marriage To DE PONTEAUDEMER Josceline (ABT 989 - AFT 1068)
m.
Notes
Parents
DE BOLBEC Osbern (ABT 945 - 1035)
DE CREPON Avelina (Wevia) (ABT 957 - )
Children by DE PONTEAUDEMER Josceline ABT 989 - AFT 1068
DE MONTGOMERY Roger II (ABT 1024 - 27 Jul 1094)
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