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Birth:          ABT 1118 Normandy

Notes
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I10686
I originally had Maud's birth year as "abt 1109" and her father's birth year as "1087", 
based on information that I got out of some lines in World Connect. I received the 
following Postem from World Connect:

Name: james wall
Email: jewall AT students.wisc.edu

John Cannon & Anne HARGREAVES "The Kings and Queens of Britain" Oxford 
University Press 2001. pg. 184.

"Though Robert Curthose was safe in custody, his late and unexpected marriage had 
produced a son (c. 1102), William Clito (Prince). As he grew up, ambitious neighbors in 
France took up his cause and promised him Normandy. Henry I defeated this 
opponents at Bremule in 1119, though the issue was not resolved until 1128 when 
William (Clito) was killed in a siege"

The birthdate of 1087 you use for William Clito cannot be correct therefore his 
daughter was not born when her father was 6 years old. Are you sure she is William 
Clito's daughter?

Longespic is fairly close to Longspee. Perhaps a transcription error?

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Following is my reply:

James,

Sorry for the long time it took to respond. I spent several weeks in Ireland this 
summer, and it has taken me a couple of weeks to catch up on everything since I got 
back.

You are absolutely right about his birth year (Encyclopaedia Britannica has c 1101). 
This is one of those that I had not bothered to look up. William Clito is not in any of 
my standard genealogical source books. I have looked at some of the other people on 
World Connect and notice that some have his daughter b. 1118, which still makes it 
compatible. Without any published sources, there is certainly no "proof" that she even 
existed, but, perhaps merely because I am being stubborn, I will keep her with the new 
dates.

I will put your postem in my notes, with my response, so that her "iffy" status will be 
documented.

Jim Weber

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Following is added by Curt Hofemann, which at least adds some documentation to the 
very questionable marriage, indicating where the original source was:

Her marriage to Hugh de Montfort has been debated on Gen-Medieval & from memory 
(I have not yet found the specific messages to give you the url's) the marriage was 
found to be non-existant. One (excellent) ref that briefly discusses the purported 
marriage is The Dictionary of National Biography which indicates the source of the 
marriage is the "half mythical history of Wigmore Priory" in the Monasticon. DNB calls 
the account of the marriage "fabulous".

Parents
OF NORMANDY William ("Clito") (ABT 1101 - 27 Jul 1128)
DE MONTFERRAT Jeanne (ABT 1104 - )

Siblings
LONGESPIC OF NORMANDY Maud (ABT 1118 - )

Marriage To DE MORTIMER Hugh (BEF 1082 - 26 Feb 1148)
    m.  

Notes

Parents
DE MORTIMER Ranulph (Ralph) (ABT 1058 - ABT 1104)
FERRERS Millicent (ABT 1040 - BEF 1088)

Children by DE MORTIMER Hugh BEF 1082 - 26 Feb 1148
DE MORTIMER Maud (ABT 1134 - )

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