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Birth:          AFT 1033 Valognes, Normandy
Death:          ABT 1087 

Notes
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jweber&id=I04943
The parentage of Piers de Valognes came from the "Ancestors of Paul McBride" 
website, not Turton, who has no ancestors for Peters/Piers. Paul McBride, whose 
information is usually reasonably accurate, has "Peter (Piers) de Valognes (-1087)" 
listed as son of Enguerrand I de Ponthieu & Adele of Holland. Paul McBride does not 
give a source for his placement of Piers (Peter) de Valognes, d. 1087, as son of 
Engerraund I de Ponthieu. Paul then has Peter de Valoines, husband of Albreda de 
Rie, listed as son of Enguerrand II de Ponthieu by Adelaide of Normandy. Curt 
Hofemann's e-mail below indicates Paul McBride's sources for this 2nd listing. The first 
listing would seem to fit Turton's identification as the husband of Albreda de Rie, while 
the 2nd listing explicitly states another Piers/Peter de Valognes was her husband.

Since there seems to be evidence (see Curt's e-mail below) that Enguerrand II de 
Ponthieu died without male issue, I am going with Paul McBride's 1st listing of Piers de 
Valognes, d. 1087, making him son of Enguerrand I by his 2nd wife. Of course, even if 
there are some sources (or hints) for this, this parentage is very "iffy".

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The following e-mail was sent by Curt Hofemann [curt_hofemann AT yahoo.com]:

Jim,

This didn't seem appropriate for a post-em to your WorldConnect posting.

ID: I24082 Muriel de Valognes
Father: Piers (Peter) de Valognes
Mother: Aubrey de Rye

FWIW, in Rosie Bevan's 18 Apr 2003 msg to SGM, Subject: Essex/Valognes/Fitz John 
(which you have cited elsewhere in this line), in the Valognes/Essex chart at the end 
of the msg, she showed Muriel as dau (not sister) of Piers (Peter) de Valognes who m. 
Albreda de Saint-Sauveur. Not sure if that was a typo or she was suggesting that CP 
is in error. The chart _was_ prefaced "proposed reconstruction"… Chris Phillips did 
respond, but did not address this (at least that I have found).

Also, re: parents of Piers (Peter) de Valognes as Enguerrand II of Ponthieu Count of 
Ponthieu & Adeliza of Normandy; Paul McBride did give sources: 1. "Ancestors of 
Deacon Edward Converse" & 2. "Magna Charta Pedigrees (Portland East Stake Gen. 
Lib.)". Unfortunately I am unfamiliar with the refs. It probably has to do with the 
following:

"I have seen numerous statements that Peter de Valognes, Domesday holder of the 
barony of Benington [Sanders, 12], was "nephew of the Conqueror", but no sourced 
evidence for this has come to light. Various web sites show him (again without 
sources) as son of Adelaide of Normandy and Enguerrand de Ponthieu, but this seems 
extremely unlikely given the latter died in 1053 without a male heir". [Ref: Rosie 
Bevan 2 Sep 2003]

Note actually his father, Enguerrand, was a nephew of W the C. Whether or not he 
had a son Peter de Volognes is the prob.

Cheers,
Curt

Parents
DE MONTREUIL Enguerrand (Engelram) (ABT  979 - 21 Sep 1046)
OF HOLLAND Adele (ABT  982 - ABT 1045)

Siblings
DE MONTREUIL Hugh II (ABT 1015 - 20 Nov 1052)
DE VALOINES Piers (AFT 1033 - ABT 1087)

Marriage To DE RYE Albreda or Aubrey (ABT 1046 - )
    m.  

Notes

Parents
DE RYE Hubert (ABT 1025 - )
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Children by DE RYE Albreda or Aubrey ABT 1046 - 
DE VALOINES Piers (Peter) (ABT 1063 - ABT 1109)
DE VALOINES Hamo (BEF 1065 - AFT 1100)

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